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Why can't an intermediary Lightning node take (nearly) all fees?

Consider a Lightning payment: Alice wants to pay 100 sat to Dave via two intermediary hops: Alice - Bob - Charlie - Dave. Both Bob and Charlie advertise a fee of 2 sat. Alice sends 104 sat to Bob, ...
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Can I explicitly specify a path for Lightning payment?

From what I understand, in the current Lightning implementations payments work as follows: calculate best N paths according to some metric (like, total fees); try to perform the payment through the ...
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Remote node signature for HTLC-success and HTLC-timeout transactions

According to BOLT #3, when constructing a HTLC output in the version of the local node (both received and offered HTLC), it requires that the payment to the local node is locked with CHECKMULTISIG ...
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How Lightning Networks protect itself from 'Selfish Mining'?

It is a well accepted fact that mining pools do engage in 'selfish mining' by not broadcasting a block to the network when they find a PoW solution, but building on top of that block so as to maximize ...
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What is correct way to count LN node stats

I am running a LN node. Set up monitoring to collect stats. Now i am wondering, how can i get correct conclusions about what collected information actually is. My question is about forward (...
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How do new nodes learn the topology of Lightning network?

Lightning nodes store a full network snapshots to calculate routes for outgoing payments. Nodes listen to announcements of new (public) channel openings and constantly update their local snapshots. ...
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What is the Big-O for LN bandwidth? Can anyone answer this or provide a link to a spec that is sufficient enough for us to calculate it?

When I worked at Google, if someone wanted to deploy a network application they would need to provide a document to the SREs detailing the behaviour of the application at scale in terms of Big-O. Does ...
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Why is my lighting node not routing any transaction?

I have set up a lighting node months ago using LND under the tor network. My node (Caffeine) looks correctly configured and connected to several channels but it is not routing any transaction. In the ...
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Lightning LND - Send Payment Both Ways Within Same Channel

Me and my friend are testing Raspibolt running LND 0.6 Beta. We noticed the following problem/limitation: When I opened a channel with him, I could send him payments (via invoice) without any ...
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How scalable is the current routing implementation for lightning?

What are the weaknesses we face with lightning routing currently? How many nodes do we expect it can handle now? What is being done to make it scale in the future?
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Does the `HTLC fail` routed back to sender using same path if intermediate node does not have enough capacity?

In the Lightning Network, the intermediate hop between the sender and receiver checks for possible errors(like if it has enough balance). And if there is, it sends an HTLCFail message back to the ...
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How to backup seed in lightning and give your channel to watchtower

this is followup on question #85475: I have learned in previous question that there is an automatic refund mechanism in case of force closure of a channel, except for some very rare circumstances. I ...
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Lightning - Question about force-closures of channels and its impact on recovering funds

Dear Lightning experts, someone mentioned in context with lightning channels the following things, and I would like to ask you if this statements are true, and if yes, is this a problem in a future ...
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Routing for Lightning network: was Flare implemented?

There is a 2016 paper from Bitfury on a proposed routing algorithm for LN: Flare: An Approach to Routing in Lightning Network What is the relation between it and was was actually implemented (the ...
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Lightning payments: peer versus channel (LND)

I understand that in order to be able to send a LN invoice my node should be connect to at least 1 channel. Should both nodes have an equal "stake" in the channel? Is it correct that it isn't ...
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Can someone please explain the meaning of “neutrino” within the lightning network?

Rene Pickhardt wrote the below quoted comment in another thread about whether a mobile wallet can be both a full lightning node and wallet at the same time. I have many lightning nodes running but ...
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How do custodial lightning wallets work?

I just installed and tried to use a lightning wallet (bluewallet) on an Android device. As per my understanding, when I fund my lightning wallet (This is an on-chain tx) with amount x, I open a ...
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Current simple ways to participate with a Lightning Node?

Lightning is kicking it!! I just read this article about worldwide nodes distribution https://cryptonomist.ch/en/2019/03/02/top-10-countries-bitcoin-nodes/ So, my questions are basically: 1)) what ...
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How to get all potential routes in c-lightning?

I'm trying to write some services on top of c-lightning and I need to check if certain payments hit certain nodes. lightning-cli getroute nodeid amount riskfactor This gives me a randomly ...
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How an LN node can be sure about existence / liveness of an individual path of channels?

Assuming nodes A and B do not have a direct channel between themselves and previously they could find an indirect path of channels and finalize their payment successfully. After a while, they decide ...
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Required conditions to be selected as intermediary node (Payment Service Provider) in Lightning Network?

I bring up some important questions about terminology of the Lightning Network and how to select the intermediary node as the Payment Service Provider in a routing channel: The following video (Link ...
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The scope of lightning channel fee

For the following setup: A ----(HIGH Fee rate) ---- B ---------------- C B want to charge A for more fee, he raises the fee of the channel between AB A pays to C A pays to B C pays to ...
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Is it possible to rebalance channels by sending to yourself (from a channel to an other) in c-lightning? How?

I know it is possible with LND and I don't know if it is possible with Eclair. I have tried to issue an invoice and to find a route with the same node but I got the { "code" : -1, "message" : "Could ...
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Can someone please explain how Lightning paths are working and what effect large centralized hubs have?

Can someone please explain how Lightning paths are working and what effect large centralized hubs have? Dear community, I have read some stuff about lightning and i am really interested to ...
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LND errors after upgraded to v0.5.2

Recently upgraded to the latest lnd version (following the stadicus guide) but once i restarted the client i keep getting this error when i check the logs: [ERR] LNWL: Failed to process consensus ...
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How to send a payment through a route saved in a json?

From lncli network=testnet sendtoroute -h: NAME: lncli sendtoroute - send a payment over a predefined route USAGE: lncli sendtoroute [command options] [arguments...] DESCRIPTION: Send a payment over ...
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How to send payment through a predefined route?

Attempting a payment through a predefined route using: lncli -network=testnet queryroutes 02e34c1b4c5f8e7419cf4d10e3bc9651d46dc1af68df6a7b81a24951a9192aa9c4 25000 | lncli -network=testnet sendtoroute ...
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Does a LN route with N channels at most require N-2 fee payments?

Assume we have a route n1 -> n2 -> n3 -> n4. My intuition here is that n2 charges n1 a fee and that n3 charges n2 a fee for routing payments. However, there's no fee for the last hop where n3 ...
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Are channel ids inherently linked to node ids in the Lightning protocol?

I'm wondering if it is possible to shut down my node, change my node id, but persist my channels in the Lightning protocol. Is there an inherent limitation to the protocol that prevents this from ...
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Removing “hub-and-spoke” property of Lightning Network?

Lightning Network is based on this idea: "Near-zero fee transactions with hub-and-spoke micropayments" (Link to the article) proposed by Peter Todd. An article entitled: "Mathematical Proof That the ...
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Is there actually a dilemma of whether or not to publish channel states for LN nodes?

I've heard that there is such a dilemma for LN: if channel states were not published, the payer will not able to find any viable path, unless he takes brute-force-like probing approach (which looks ...
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In which cases could I find funds locked in a failed route?

I received an invoice from node Z and my node (A) suggests me 4 possible routes. If the first two routes fail, are there cases in which funds can get stuck in one of these routes until the HTLC ...
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What criteria should be taken into account when selecting nodes to create new lightning channels with?

Alex Bosworth recently pointed out: I see people connect to a "well connected" node on LN and by that they mean they connect to a node with lots of channels. The number of channels is actually a ...
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How is node capacity determined on 1ML.com?

I have set up a Casa node, using lnd, and opened 15 payment channels. The capacity of my channels, after almost 3 weeks, is exactly what it was when I opened the channels, leading me to believe that I ...
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Routing in Bitcoin Lightning Network

Here is all we can find in the Lightning Network whitepaper about payment routing process that it is completely unclear to me (at least it is not enough to know what happens exactly at time of finding ...
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Why do we need a “routing” process in Lightning Network?

If I am wrong, please correct me. If we simplify Lightning Network, it seems to work similar to this simple unidirectional payment channel between two parties (although, Lightning Network is a ...
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Is routing approach of Bitcoin Lighning Network “decentralized” and “trust-less”?

From the Bitcoin Lightning Network: it is possible to find a path across the network similar to routing packets on the internet. Is routing approach of Bitcoin Lighning Network performed in a "...
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Why is last channel's expiry different in Lightning Network Routes?

Both in the Basic of Lightning Technology (BOLT) documents, and in the specification of lnd, there is a different treatment for the last channel in a route. In BOLT#2 it refers to a variable ...
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Lightning network routing failure rate

Let's say a lightning node A wants to route a payment to a lightning node B, being A and B not directly connected.A looks for routes throughout the network, using the info about the total capacity of ...
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Minimum funds required in a channel in Lightning?

I have noticed that, I cannot exhaust the funds in my channel to one side in lnd. I understand this makes sense so as to have some punishment in case of fraud, but I cannot find the reason for the ...
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Make payments Lightning without Invoice?

The Lightning-RFC defines, in BOLT #11, an invoice protocol for proof-of-payment. While this is a pretty cool feature, I was wondering if it would be possible to make a payment without such invoice. ...
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Do the channel balances get publicly announced in real-time on Lightning Network?

In Lightning Network, is the balance publicly announced in real-time? On the one hand, it should be public as it is crucial to the routing mechanism. But, in case that the balance might reveal some ...
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What is the purpose of the announcement_signatures message as specified by the Lightning Network RFC?

Isn't the channel_announcement message enough for channel advertisement? Why is the announcement_signatures message required? Reference BOLT #7
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unable to route payment to destination: TemporaryChannelFailure

Keep getting this error following attempting to pay an invoice. root@ubuntu-s-1vcpu-2gb-nyc3-01:~# lncli --network=testnet payinvoice ...
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My lnd node hasn't routed any payments (1 week + since initial setup)

So I finally setup a lightning node (lnd) and according to "feereport" I haven't routed any payments (no fees collected). I have used my node to send payments (yalls, satoshis.place, blockstream...) ...
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Clarification about lightning network

When I run a lightning node, I have to set up a lightning channel with, for example, a highly connected node. Here a first question: When I set up a lightning channel with a node, have I need to put ...
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How to know earning LN routing fees

I am using c-lightning version:v0.6-182-g1851ebb. Is there a way to know how much I have earned routing fees? I found that lnd has lncli feereport command that shows earned fees. Does c-lightning have ...
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How does lnd's autopilot feature work?

Autopilot automatically connects to peers in order to establish a p2p network. I didn't find however a complete explanation of its motivation and logic.
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How does one manage the shifts of Channel Balances in the Lightning Network

I saw the video below that shows the possibility of a shift in Channel Balances. It shows that the amount that one uses to fund a channel may "disappear" if the channel is used as part of a route to ...
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How does LN solve the liquidity problem?

How do nodes in LN manage to provide 100% collateral to all the outgoing channels? I attached an example below that details my confusion about the lack of liquidity.