Questions tagged [lightning-routing]
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Is it possible to rebalance channels by sending to yourself (from a channel to an other) in c-lightning? How?
I know it is possible with LND and I don't know if it is possible with Eclair.
I have tried to issue an invoice and to find a route with the same node but
I got the { "code" : -1, "message" : "Could ...
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Can someone please explain how Lightning paths are working and what effect large centralized hubs have?
Can someone please explain how Lightning paths are working and what effect large centralized hubs have?
Dear community,
I have read some stuff about lightning and i am really interested to ...
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LND errors after upgraded to v0.5.2
Recently upgraded to the latest lnd version (following the stadicus guide) but once i restarted the client i keep getting this error when i check the logs:
[ERR] LNWL: Failed to process consensus ...
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How to send a payment through a route saved in a json?
From lncli network=testnet sendtoroute -h:
NAME:
lncli sendtoroute - send a payment over a predefined route
USAGE:
lncli sendtoroute [command options] [arguments...]
DESCRIPTION:
Send a payment over ...
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How to send payment through a predefined route?
Attempting a payment through a predefined route using:
lncli -network=testnet queryroutes 02e34c1b4c5f8e7419cf4d10e3bc9651d46dc1af68df6a7b81a24951a9192aa9c4 25000 | lncli -network=testnet sendtoroute ...
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Does a LN route with N channels at most require N-2 fee payments?
Assume we have a route n1 -> n2 -> n3 -> n4. My intuition here is that n2 charges n1 a fee and that n3 charges n2 a fee for routing payments. However, there's no fee for the last hop where n3 ...
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Are channel ids inherently linked to node ids in the Lightning protocol?
I'm wondering if it is possible to shut down my node, change my node id, but persist my channels in the Lightning protocol. Is there an inherent limitation to the protocol that prevents this from ...
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Removing “hub-and-spoke” property of Lightning Network?
Lightning Network is based on this idea: "Near-zero fee transactions with hub-and-spoke micropayments" (Link to the article) proposed by Peter Todd.
An article entitled: "Mathematical Proof That the ...
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Is there actually a dilemma of whether or not to publish channel states for LN nodes?
I've heard that there is such a dilemma for LN: if channel states were not published, the payer will not able to find any viable path, unless he takes brute-force-like probing approach (which looks ...
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What criteria should be taken into account when selecting nodes to create new lightning channels with?
Alex Bosworth recently pointed out:
I see people connect to a "well connected" node on LN and by that they mean they connect to a node with lots of channels. The number of channels is actually a ...
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How is node capacity determined on 1ML.com?
I have set up a Casa node, using lnd, and opened 15 payment channels. The capacity of my channels, after almost 3 weeks, is exactly what it was when I opened the channels, leading me to believe that I ...
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Routng in Bitcoin Lightning Network
Here is all we can find in the Lightning Network whitepaper about payment routing process that it is completely unclear to me (at least it is not enough to know what happens exactly at time of finding ...
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Why do we need a “routing” process in Lightning Network?
If I am wrong, please correct me.
If we simplify Lightning Network, it seems to work similar to this simple unidirectional payment channel between two parties (although, Lightning Network is a ...
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Is routing approach of Bitcoin Lighning Network “decentralized” and “trust-less”?
From the Bitcoin Lightning Network:
it is possible to find a path across the network similar to routing
packets on the internet.
Is routing approach of Bitcoin Lighning Network performed in a "...
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Why is last channel's expiry different in Lightning Network Routes?
Both in the Basic of Lightning Technology (BOLT) documents, and in the specification of lnd, there is a different treatment for the last channel in a route. In BOLT#2 it refers to a variable ...
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Lightning network routing failure rate
Let's say a lightning node A wants to route a payment to a lightning node B, being A and B not directly connected.A looks for routes throughout the network, using the info about the total capacity of ...
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Minimum funds required in a channel in Lightning?
I have noticed that, I cannot exhaust the funds in my channel to one side in lnd. I understand this makes sense so as to have some punishment in case of fraud, but I cannot find the reason for the ...
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Make payments Lightning without Invoice?
The Lightning-RFC defines, in BOLT #11, an invoice protocol for proof-of-payment. While this is a pretty cool feature, I was wondering if it would be possible to make a payment without such invoice. ...
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In lightning network, is the balance publicly anounced in realtime?
In lightning network, is the balance publicly announced in Real-time?
From one hand, it should be public as it crucial to the routing mechanism.
But, in case that the balance might reveal some ...
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What is the purpose of the announcement_signatures message as specified by the Lightning Network RFC?
Isn't the channel_announcement message enough for channel advertisement? Why is the announcement_signatures message required?
Reference BOLT #7
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unable to route payment to destination: TemporaryChannelFailure
Keep getting this error following attempting to pay an invoice.
root@ubuntu-s-1vcpu-2gb-nyc3-01:~# lncli --network=testnet payinvoice ...
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My lnd node hasn't routed any payments (1 week + since initial setup)
So I finally setup a lightning node (lnd) and according to "feereport" I haven't routed any payments (no fees collected). I have used my node to send payments (yalls, satoshis.place, blockstream...) ...
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Clarification about lightning network
When I run a lightning node, I have to set up a lightning channel with, for example, a highly connected node.
Here a first question: When I set up a lightning channel with a node, have I need to put ...
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How to know earning LN routing fees
I am using c-lightning version:v0.6-182-g1851ebb. Is there a way to know how much I have earned routing fees? I found that lnd has lncli feereport command that shows earned fees. Does c-lightning have ...
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How does lnd's autopilot feature work?
Autopilot automatically connects to peers in order to establish a p2p network. I didn't find however a complete explanation of its motivation and logic.
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How does one manage the shifts of Channel Balances in the Lightning Network
I saw the video below that shows the possibility of a shift in Channel Balances. It shows that the amount that one uses to fund a channel may "disappear" if the channel is used as part of a route to ...
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How does LN solve the liquidity problem?
How do nodes in LN manage to provide 100% collateral to all the outgoing channels? I attached an example below that details my confusion about the lack of liquidity.
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what happens if one node goes down in lightning network multihop payments? [duplicate]
In a scenario where we have the following lightning payment channels:
Alice <-> Bob <-> Carol <-> Dave
Alice wants to pay Dave. Dave generates a payment request by selecting a random R and ...
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Mapping the Bitcoin Lightning Network: Why not use the Blockchain?
Researching about the available routing algorithms for the Bitcoin Lightning Network, I have been reading the Flare whitepaper, and this idea/question came to mind:
Since all payment channels are ...
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Lightning Network can work, live independently from Bitcoin?
Is Lightning Network Protocol capable serve micro payment services without broadcast any transaction to blockchain?
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Lightning Route Discovery - How to know capacity in each direction?
So i have a question how routing works in the LN. I read partly through the RFC described in https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc but I have still this open question.
I know every node ...
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Is it possible to design a hardware wallet that can allow operation of a routing Lightning node with the security level of a hardware wallet?
I'm wondering if its possible to design a hardware wallet such that it can be used for a Lightning node that routes payments for their channel partners such that their funds can never be stolen even ...
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Do relay nodes need to have money in order to relay transactions?
Imagine Alice wants to send 0.5 btc to Bob. They both open channels with Carol, a relay node that has no money. They create single funded channels each of 1 btc.
Now Alice updates her channel to be 0....
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How to prevent lightening network spend two times the balance?
If I choose off-blockchain transaction in Lightning network is it any mechanism to check wether balance covers mount of transaction? So is it, or isn't it possible spend two times the same amount of ...
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In the Lightning Network, what happens if a “middle node” suddenly goes dormant for a long while?
I think I have a general understanding of how the Lightning Network works. However, I was having a little difficulty in understanding what happens when a node in the middle of a "path" suddenly goes ...
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Same entity controlling separated parts of a a lightning path
Given the lightning path Alice → Bob → Carol → Dave → Emilee (with Alice being the sender and Emilee being the receiver), assume Dave and Bob to be the same entity.
By pulling funds from Dave to ...
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Would it be possible to send money through the Lightning Network to an offline address?
My understanding is that the current Lightning Network spec requires an address receiving money to sign things with its private key - which requires the owner of that key to be online. Are there any ...
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Is lightning network limited by the 'size' of channels?
Imagine we start with multiple channels which eventually link two individuals, Alice and Rob: (the BTC amounts is the total locked in their multisig address for their channels between each other)
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Is there some way to add a third party authorizer to (or by) a lightning network transaction?
I'm not asking for "multisig on the lightning network", but I'm more curious about how one would set up shared control over lightning network transactions in general.
Imagine we don't have a ...
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Non-bidirection payment channels for lightning network
I am trying to understand the technology behind LN and similar concepts.
As I understand it, LN is a network of bidirectional channels, which are created with some limited capacity, within which the ...
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Channels state validation in lightning network?
I looked into docs but didn't find any information, how do client get information about the state of intermediate channels? Since channel transactions are offchain, and only channel participants ...
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Is centralization in the Lightning network inevitable? Why (not)?
Especially keeping in mind the possibility of single-funded channels (see Tadge's Google Doc Slides), buying from an exchange and concurrently opening a payment channel on the Lightning network would ...
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How are paths found in Lightning Network?
I understand now how multihop payments can work in LN, but how do we discover payment paths in Lightning Network in the first place? Obviously you'd need to take into account the available capacity ...
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How is a node in the middle prohibited from keeping the money in a routed Payment in Lightning network?
It is my understanding that Lightning is to scale with users having only few payment channels by leveraging the six degrees of separation theory to facilitate payment routing. I understand how onion ...
