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How are paths found in Lightning Network?

I understand now how multihop payments can work in LN, but how do we discover payment paths in Lightning Network in the first place? Obviously you'd need to take into account the available capacity ...
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Is centralization in the Lightning network inevitable? Why (not)?

Especially keeping in mind the possibility of single-funded channels (see Tadge's Google Doc Slides), buying from an exchange and concurrently opening a payment channel on the Lightning network would ...
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Lightning Route Discovery - How to know capacity in each direction?

So i have a question how routing works in the LN. I read partly through the RFC described in https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc but I have still this open question. I know every node ...
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How is a node in the middle prohibited from keeping the money in a routed Payment in Lightning network?

It is my understanding that Lightning is to scale with users having only few payment channels by leveraging the six degrees of separation theory to facilitate payment routing. I understand how onion ...
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Would it be possible to send money through the Lightning Network to an offline address?

My understanding is that the current Lightning Network spec requires an address receiving money to sign things with its private key - which requires the owner of that key to be online. Are there any ...
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Channels state validation in lightning network?

I looked into docs but didn't find any information, how do client get information about the state of intermediate channels? Since channel transactions are offchain, and only channel participants ...
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What criteria should be taken into account when selecting nodes to create new lightning channels with?

Alex Bosworth recently pointed out: I see people connect to a "well connected" node on LN and by that they mean they connect to a node with lots of channels. The number of channels is actually a ...
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How many paths are tried on average before a payment succeeds in Lightning?

In Lightning, the sender can never be sure that a multi-hop payment will go through, as intermediary nodes don't announce the distribution of funds in their channels (only the total capacity). Is ...
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For lightning network, can I surround myself with a bunch of nodes to increase anonymity?

Let's say I'm on a Lightning Network. Can I create a bunch of nodes, and do all my spending through those nodes? Can you hide the fact that these nodes are likely controlled by the same person? How ...
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What are the downsides of Hodl Invoices?

As far as I understand hodl invoices enable some interesting use cases. However, I heard that they can be detrimental to the network. Is that correct and in what way? Additionally, at a talk at the ...
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Routing in Bitcoin Lightning Network

Here is all we can find in the Lightning Network whitepaper about payment routing process that it is completely unclear to me (at least it is not enough to know what happens exactly at time of finding ...
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What is the Big-O for LN bandwidth? Can anyone answer this or provide a link to a spec that is sufficient enough for us to calculate it?

When I worked at Google, if someone wanted to deploy a network application they would need to provide a document to the SREs detailing the behaviour of the application at scale in terms of Big-O. Does ...
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In the Lightning Network, what happens if a “middle node” suddenly goes dormant for a long while?

I think I have a general understanding of how the Lightning Network works. However, I was having a little difficulty in understanding what happens when a node in the middle of a "path" suddenly goes ...
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How does lnd's autopilot feature work?

Autopilot automatically connects to peers in order to establish a p2p network. I didn't find however a complete explanation of its motivation and logic.
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Do the channel balances get publicly announced in real-time on Lightning Network?

In Lightning Network, is the balance publicly announced in real-time? On the one hand, it should be public as it is crucial to the routing mechanism. But, in case that the balance might reveal some ...
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Non-bidirection payment channels for lightning network

I am trying to understand the technology behind LN and similar concepts. As I understand it, LN is a network of bidirectional channels, which are created with some limited capacity, within which the ...
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Why is last channel's expiry different in Lightning Network Routes?

Both in the Basic of Lightning Technology (BOLT) documents, and in the specification of lnd, there is a different treatment for the last channel in a route. In BOLT#2 it refers to a variable ...
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Is lightning network limited by the 'size' of channels?

Imagine we start with multiple channels which eventually link two individuals, Alice and Rob: (the BTC amounts is the total locked in their multisig address for their channels between each other) ...
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Does a LN route with N channels at most require N-2 fee payments?

Assume we have a route n1 -> n2 -> n3 -> n4. My intuition here is that n2 charges n1 a fee and that n3 charges n2 a fee for routing payments. However, there's no fee for the last hop where n3 ...
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How do I find the nodeid of the node issuing a lightning network invoice?

I recently got an BOLT11 invoice from a store. For example this one: ...
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What is the purpose of the announcement_signatures message as specified by the Lightning Network RFC?

Isn't the channel_announcement message enough for channel advertisement? Why is the announcement_signatures message required? Reference BOLT #7
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Same entity controlling separated parts of a a lightning path

Given the lightning path Alice → Bob → Carol → Dave → Emilee (with Alice being the sender and Emilee being the receiver), assume Dave and Bob to be the same entity. By pulling funds from Dave to ...
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Can someone please explain how Lightning paths are working and what effect large centralized hubs have?

Can someone please explain how Lightning paths are working and what effect large centralized hubs have? Dear community, I have read some stuff about lightning and i am really interested to ...
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What is the rationale for the Lightning network's path length limit (20 hops)?

A sender in the Lightning network can choose a path with up to 20 intermediaries (BOLT4). Tor is another network that uses onion routing for anonymity. However, in Tor all paths have 3 intermediaries,...
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Can someone please explain the meaning of “neutrino” within the lightning network?

Rene Pickhardt wrote the below quoted comment in another thread about whether a mobile wallet can be both a full lightning node and wallet at the same time. I have many lightning nodes running but ...
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Is there actually a dilemma of whether or not to publish channel states for LN nodes?

I've heard that there is such a dilemma for LN: if channel states were not published, the payer will not able to find any viable path, unless he takes brute-force-like probing approach (which looks ...
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Make payments Lightning without Invoice?

The Lightning-RFC defines, in BOLT #11, an invoice protocol for proof-of-payment. While this is a pretty cool feature, I was wondering if it would be possible to make a payment without such invoice. ...
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Is it possible to design a hardware wallet that can allow operation of a routing Lightning node with the security level of a hardware wallet?

I'm wondering if its possible to design a hardware wallet such that it can be used for a Lightning node that routes payments for their channel partners such that their funds can never be stolen even ...
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How does Lightning Network over TOR work?

I'm interested to understand in detail how the lightning network works over Tor. Implementations like lnd, c-lightning etc. offer an extension which allow running TOR with Lightning. I would like to ...
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What are atomic multi path payments (AMPs) and why/how is it being implemented in Lightning Network?

There has been a lot of discussion and articles around how the implementation of AMP is going to benefit the routing capabilities of Lightning Network. What is the exact issue in the current ...
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Why do Lightning packets include channel ids if forwarding is non-strict?

The onion packets in Lightning, as described in BOLT 4, include short_channel_id's of the channels along the route constructed by the sender. But according to the same spec, the forwarding is non-...
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Is it possible to rebalance channels by sending to yourself (from a channel to an other) in c-lightning? How?

I know it is possible with LND and I don't know if it is possible with Eclair. I have tried to issue an invoice and to find a route with the same node but I got the { "code" : -1, "message" : "Could ...
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In which cases could I find funds locked in a failed route?

I received an invoice from node Z and my node (A) suggests me 4 possible routes. If the first two routes fail, are there cases in which funds can get stuck in one of these routes until the HTLC ...
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Is Lightning Network vulnerable to sybil attacks?

A dialogue partner of mine claimed that Lightning Network is vulnerable to sybil attacks. He stated that LN needed explicit identities in order to support the "routing" which would cause ending up ...
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Why do multihop LN payments start settling from the recipient's end?

In HTLC, after all the parties have locked their funds in the contract, claiming payment happens in a reverse way, starting with the receiver who reveals the preimage of the corresponding payment hash....
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How can I send a payment to myself with lightening to rebalance 2 channels?

I have an active channel with bitstamp with a balance on my side. Bitstamp has an active channel with lightening power users (lpu) with balance on their side (I checked this with lncli queryroutes ...
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LND errors after upgraded to v0.5.2

Recently upgraded to the latest lnd version (following the stadicus guide) but once i restarted the client i keep getting this error when i check the logs: [ERR] LNWL: Failed to process consensus ...
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What is “Link-Level Multiplexing”?

In a discussion about private channels, Conner Fromknecht mentioned a concept called Link-Level Multiplexing. What is this and what is it useful for? How does it work?
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LND Port 9735 still closed after setting up port forwarding and firewall

I have set up my bitcoin/lnd full node and would like to have it run as a routing node for the network. So I have opened my port 9735 from the router and allowed access to it in my firewall (ufw on ...
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Finding paths NOT originating from you with lnd

I'm interested in finding paths from senders whose node you don't run to potential receivers. According to https://api.lightning.community/?python#queryroutes , you can do that by specifying the ...
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Can I send/receive payments but prevent forwarding payments in Lightning Network?

Say I am using a very computationally constrained device (eg. a sensor) and it uses Lightning Network to send/receive payments. However, being computationally constrained it doesn't want to forward ...
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Lightning LND - Send Payment Both Ways Within Same Channel

Me and my friend are testing Raspibolt running LND 0.6 Beta. We noticed the following problem/limitation: When I opened a channel with him, I could send him payments (via invoice) without any ...
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How scalable is the current routing implementation for lightning?

What are the weaknesses we face with lightning routing currently? How many nodes do we expect it can handle now? What is being done to make it scale in the future?
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How to send payment through a predefined route?

Attempting a payment through a predefined route using: lncli -network=testnet queryroutes 02e34c1b4c5f8e7419cf4d10e3bc9651d46dc1af68df6a7b81a24951a9192aa9c4 25000 | lncli -network=testnet sendtoroute ...
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How is node capacity determined on 1ML.com?

I have set up a Casa node, using lnd, and opened 15 payment channels. The capacity of my channels, after almost 3 weeks, is exactly what it was when I opened the channels, leading me to believe that I ...
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Do relay nodes need to have money in order to relay transactions?

Imagine Alice wants to send 0.5 btc to Bob. They both open channels with Carol, a relay node that has no money. They create single funded channels each of 1 btc. Now Alice updates her channel to be 0....
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Are channel ids inherently linked to node ids in the Lightning protocol?

I'm wondering if it is possible to shut down my node, change my node id, but persist my channels in the Lightning protocol. Is there an inherent limitation to the protocol that prevents this from ...
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Clarification about lightning network

When I run a lightning node, I have to set up a lightning channel with, for example, a highly connected node. Here a first question: When I set up a lightning channel with a node, have I need to put ...
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How much privacy does Lightning actually have?

I can't find any information on what information is actually contained within a lightning transaction. Lets say Alice wants to pay Bob on lightning and routes through R1, R2, R3 in the following order ...
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Should the nodes of a channel have the same Time Lock Delta?

Consider this channel https://1ml.com/channel/612829298476056576 : Node 1: Caffeine Time Lock Delta: 10 Node 2: HODLcat.com Time Lock Delta: 144 How is an HTLC passing through this ...