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What are “leaf versions” in Taproot?

What are "leaf versions", when do you upgrade a version, how many versions are there and how do they differ from segwit versions?
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Is there already reached consensus on network upgrades like Taproot, Submarine Swaps?

I have read about some very interesting new protocol amendments. I am not asking for their explanations, but would be great if anyone explained their current status, if they are still considered to ...
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Schnorr without R in the challenge

I read the Schnorr and MuSig papers and stumbled over the problem that the use of deterministic nonces in multisignatures is not safe. The adversary would be able to extract the private key from the ...
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What are some interesting applications of Taproot “smart contracts”?

From a strictly technical perspective, MAST makes a lot of sense. However, understanding it in the context of Taproot/Tapscript does require prior knowledge in Merkle Trees and hash functions. What ...
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k selection for Schnorr signatures

So i was reading the BIP for Schnorr signatures and I couldn't find any explanation on why the simple RFC6979 Variant wasn't chosen for their nonce generation. Instead, they decided to go with their ...
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Is Z-man's PTLC construction implementable using libsecp256k1-zkp?

In a mailing list post Z-man details a PTLC construction which he claims is "is almost entirely a MuSig ritual". My question is whether this MusigTweak is what is called the adaptor (last argument of ...
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Could Taproot create larger security risks or even hinder future protocol adjustments re Quantum threats?

I am quoting here a user named "blk014" who responded to Pieter's Taproot tweets from 24JAN. I find this user's comments very interesting and would like to ask a developer expert how much of a ...
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Will g'root be included in the Taproot soft-fork?

G'root, which I understands as generalised Taproot, was announced a year and a half ago. I'm wondering what the development is on it and if it is part of the taproot softfork.
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Musig Signature Interactivity

2 Questions: Why is Musig signing always interactive? Let's say I have a Musig wallet where keys are stored in secure locations with no internet access. What are some methods to sign from these ...
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Would a Schnorr PubKey be a different length than a Taproot PubKey like P2WPKH and P2WSH?

A P2WPKH PubKey is shorter than a P2WSH PubKey. Would this also be the case that a Taproot PubKey is larger than a Schnorr PubKey? If so, wouldn't people be incentivised to use the Schnorr PubKey and ...
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how difficult is it to generating an ECDSA (or Schnorr) signature with a certain number of leading zeros?

If both the public key and the private key are known ahead of time (public knowledge), and the goal is to choose a message/nonce that generates a signature with, for example, a certain number of ...
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Will Schnorr Multi-signatures completely replace ECDSA?

I stumbled upon the fact that schnorr signatures will most probably replace the current ECDSA system in a future BIP. Is it worth learning about ECDSA or this will become obsolete/useless/confusing ...
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bip-schnorr and HD Key Derivation

Is it safe to use HD Key Derivation with bip-schnorr? The bip mentions that you should not throw away the first byte of a generated key. It is important to not mix up the 32-byte bip-schnorr public ...
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Why is no security lost by using 32-byte public keys in Schnorr signatures instead of 33?

There is currently a discussion on the mailing list about truncating the 33rd byte from public keys when used in bip-schnorr. Public keys are (x, y) coordinates and compressed public keys simply ...
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Why do aggregate Schnorr signatures reverse the hash and the random number

A bitcoin signature has: z = hash(m) Using a private key pk we can generate a signature for message m consisting of two numbers: r (x coordinate of the random point R = k×G) and s = (z+r⋅pk)/k. Then, ...
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Is it cryptographically possible to have aggregate signature schemes that can improve privacy in UTXO consolidation?

My understanding of Schnorr signatures, Taproot and Graftroot and how they improve privacy in smart contracts / multi-sig is by allowing users to aggregate signatures so the individual signatures and ...
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What are the limitations for amortizing the interactive session setup of MuSig?

I'm trying to find a way to amortize the interactive session setup in the MuSig signature aggregation scheme. My motivation is to use signature aggregation between devices communicating using low ...
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Is the BCH version of Schnorr signatures compatible with taproot?

BCH is going to introduce support for Schnorr signatures on May 15th. One of the most anticipated features for Schnorr signatures on Bitcoin is the introduction of taproot constructions. Will it be ...
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Schnorr Fiat Shamir Transformation

In the Schnorr identity protocol, we can transform the interactive ZKP into a non-interactive one by replacing the role of the verifier (i.e. providing a random challenge value) with a hash function ...
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What is the current Status of major proposed BTC upgrades like Taproot, MAST, Submarine Swaps?

I have read during the last year about some very interesting BIPs or initiatives. I am not asking for their explanations, just would be great if anyone would know about their simple status as of now, ...
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How could Schnorr signatures be aggregated across the whole transaction?

I am studying the MuSig protocol and am having trouble grasping certain segments. This is my understanding thus far: In current Bitcoin CHECKMULTISIG format, the size of the signature grows linearly ...
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When Schnorr signatures are part of Bitcoin will it be possible validate each block with only one signature validation?

In a recent talk Pieter Wuille talked about speed up verification when using Schnorr signatures and various algorithms for verifying multiple signatures. Would it really be possible to verify one ...
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Why is the Schnorr verification formula working and actually verifying the validity of a signature?

Reading the bottom of page 2 of the Musig Paper we can find that a Schnorr Signature for a cyclic Group G of prime order p with generator g is a tuple (R,s) where R = gr for a random secret r and s=...
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Does a blockchain become opaque if it enable's schnorr-signatures, and require trust in the code?

When you sign a transaction with schnorr-signatures, it does not include the pubkey in the transaction data. 1)Does this mean the input addresses become unknown, aka creating a opaque blockchain ? ...
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Are sipa's standardized schnorr signatures incompatible with blind signatures?

Here, sipa proposes a standardization of schnorr signatures: https://github.com/sipa/bips/blob/bip-schnorr/bip-schnorr.mediawiki For example, sign() returns Sig{R,s} which can be encoded with 64 ...
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Would signature aggregation reduce the largest feasible blocksize

If a Schnorr signature aggregation scheme were to be integrated into Bitcoin. Would the reduction in witness data versus non witness data (need less bytes for a signature therefore witness data usage ...
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How are scriptless scripts and taproot different?

I recently read Aaron van Wirdum's layman explanation of both scriptless scripts and taproot. I gather that both utilize the aggregation of Schnorr signatures to hide complex scripts (smart contracts) ...
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Will a Schnorr soft-fork introduce a new address format (i.e. not bech32)

When we (hopefully) soft-fork to Schnorr signatures will the address be indistinguishable from bech32 addresses?
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Can R/r in Musig be derived from only seeds and message hashes?

I am wondering if the first two roundtrips of pre-committing and then revealing R/r in MuSig signing can be moved to the keygen phase and made deterministic. That reduces the amount of messages that ...
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Schnorr batch validation speed statistics

In this question Schnorr vs ECDSA I see in the Peter Wuille's answer the following comment about Schnorr signature batch validation: "Improving verification speed, by supporting batch validation of ...
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Schnorr's batch validation

In the recent BIP about Schnorr's standardization, Pieter Wuille presents an algorithm for batch validation. In my understanding the most heavy operation is the multiplication by a scalar: to make ...
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What would UTXO consolidation look like in the public ledger with Schnorr signatures?

I am excited about the privacy and optimisations involved with moving from ECDSA to Schnorr signatures. One of the privacy improvements, as I understand it, is that you can aggregate signatures so ...
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A couple of questions on Schnorr sig

In the BIP by Pieter Wuille it is told that the key prefixed version of Schnorr signature is needed when the scheme is used in combination with BIP32's unhardened derivation. Could someone provide an ...
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Could Taproot or Graftroot enable the execution of complex scripts?

From my understanding, Taproot uses a Merkle Tree structure whose root represents the outcome of a script. That representation is in the form of a signature that may unlock the inputs associated with ...
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Schnorr vs ECDSA

I understand that Schnorr signatures provide an improvement on ECDSA in that they are a fixed 64 bytes instead of the longer ECDSA sig format, however, I don't see how this is an advantage over ECDSA ...
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How is the construction of atomic swaps improved by Schnorr?

How does the availability of Schnorr signatures improve the ability to perform cross-chain atomic swaps?
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Can you use Schnorr to sign inputs individually?

Can personA build a transaction and sign his inputs, then personB signs his and that be added into one transaction using Schnorr. Or are SIGHASHes still needed?
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Why was ECDSA chosen over Schnorr Signatures in the inital design?

Schnorr Signatures and Signature aggregation is in the bitcoin technology roadmap. Schnorr Signatures was around the same time ECDSA is around. Why wasnt Schnorr Signature Scheme implemented at the ...
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How do I explain Schnorr signatures and signature aggregation to 7 year old cousin?

How do I explain Schnorr signatures and signature aggregation to my 7 year old cousin? Nathan Aw
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How do Schnorr signatures impact coin selection and the utxo growth?

Will Schnorr signature incentivise different practices in coin selection? How do they impact the utxo set in the long run?
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aggregated signatures for combining payments over a low bandwidth mesh network

Background I'm researching how in a low bandwidth mesh network payment transactions from nodes can be combined to reduce the bandwidth used for payments. Aggregated signatures seem like a useful ...
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Replacing ECDSA (SECP256k1) with Schnorr signatures

On March 23, 2017 the Bitcoin Core team published a technology roadmap, expressing their intent to replace ECDSA (SECP256k1) with Schnorr signatures: https://bitcoincore.org/en/2017/03/23/schnorr-...
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Are Schnorr signatures quantum-computer resistant?

Here (https://bitcoincore.org/en/2017/03/23/schnorr-signature-aggregation/) it says Schnorr replaces ECDSA, we know that ECDSA can be broken by quantum computers. Is Schnorr safe from q-computers?
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Why was the Schnorr code removed from Bitcoin Core?

I was looking for the Schnorr implementation in Bitcoin Core and was surprised to see that it was removed on Nov 2016 (commit e06e878fd7dcc99825025fa99aedb86bc7d5c29f). Why was the source code ...
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Does the introduction of Schnorr signatures require segwit?

What is the relationship of segwit and Schnorr signatures? Is segwit a prerequisit for Schnorr signatures? I've read that the transaction versioning of Segregated Witness would allow to just assign ...
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How does schnorr signature construct multisig functionality?

How does the multiparty schnorr signature work and enable multisig functionality in Bitcoin? What are its limitations? Can we construct any m of n signature? Is there anyway to hide the signers among ...
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What are the implications of Schnorr signatures?

Adam Back (adam3us) explained in March, 2014, but it is all math. There's another short post with advantages, though. This answer on crypto.SE claims that Bitcoin considered using Ed25519 which is ...